Wiktionary:Landsbybrønden/Initiating SOP rules: Forskelle mellem versioner

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Ny side: == Proposal for an extension to the Danish Wiktionary's policy on what is and isn't allowed here. == My motive is from the false entry the American dream which everyone here is unfo...
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Proposal for an extension to the Danish Wiktionary's policy on what is and isn't allowed here.

My motive is from the false entry the American dream which everyone here is unfortunately defending. I am American and I am a native English speaker; they should be listening to me rather than treating my opinion on the matter as "vandalism".

Anywho, in this example, the more common capitalization for the term is American Dream, and adding "the" beforehand just makes it a sum-of-parts term, as you can find the definition for the separately from American Dream.

Please refer to the English Wiktionary's policy on SOPs, as follows:

"An expression is idiomatic if its full meaning cannot be easily derived from the meaning of its separate components. Non-idiomatic expressions are called sum-of-parts (SOP).

For example, this is a door is not idiomatic, but shut up and red herring are."

We need official policy on this here. Let's have a vote. @User:Bedsten, @User:First jumper

Feel free to speak either Danish or English with me here, since I can read both very well, but I am going to stick with writing in English on my side since my Danish grammar is too poor and I'd be embarrassing myself most of the time. Philmonte101 (diskussion) 31. aug 2016, 11:31 (UTC)

The entry has a reference to http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/american where "the American dream" is mentioned as a phrase. Existing words and phrases should be allowed. At least if they are confirmed by a reliable source. And please remember, that this is not enwiktionary.
- Sarrus (db) d. 31. aug 2016, 14:07 (UTC)
The fact that it is mentioned in Oxford doesn't make it any less SOP. Do you think we should have entries like green tree that literally just mean green + tree? It is the same thing here. "the" is just a modifier in this case. In English, we don't include "the" within a proper noun or a noun. For instance, instead of saying "I'm going to The United States", we'd say "I'm going to the United States." "the" at the beginning of a term is not generally a component of a proper noun or a common noun. Therefore, it's SOP. I wouldn't mind a redirect from the American Dream to American Dream, but I'd like to keep American Dream as the lemma form.
Anyway, enough about that entry. My point in this discussion is that we at dawiktionary need an official policy guideline about multiple-worded entries being sums of parts. We simply can't include things like green tree, Danish king, American worker, etc., unless they have some idiomatic meaning besides green + tree, Danish + king, etc. Philmonte101 (diskussion) 31. aug 2016, 20:24 (UTC)

  neij, ikke nødvendig. Bedsten (diskussion) 1. sep 2016, 06:40 (UTC)

Denne her side hedder Diskussion:Forside og det er fordi den skal bruges til at diskutere hvad der skal stå på forsiden. Forslag til regler for hvad der skal være artikler om skal diskuteres på Landsbybrønden. Kinamand (diskussion) 1. sep 2016, 12:23 (UTC)